Datafam Europe Review | Tableau Events | Tableau Conferences

0:00Boom, we're back from DataFam Europe.

0:02It was such a good event.

0:03I hope Tableau do this event again next year.

0:05It's always a concern sometimes when you come from an event like this that uh you think that Tableau go back to the offices, the marketing team go back to the offices, they look at the spreadsheet

0:13And the spreadsheet says this was not a good event.

0:15I couldn't disagree more.

0:17The networks, the conversations, the vibe was just on a different level.

0:21I would happily take this conference many times over, one of the larger American conferences, without a shadow of a doubt.

0:28And I think it's just more accessible for a lot of people who can't justify the journey over to America.

0:33So if Tableau, if you're listening, I hope you do this again.

0:35I can't wait to see the next iteration of this.

0:38So it doesn't have to be in the UK, it just has to be near

0:40somewhere where people can travel to here in Europe.

0:43Anyway, in this conversation, in this podcast uh video, in this uh whatever it is

0:48And Ravi and I talked in person at DataFam Europe about the conference itself.

0:52It was done on day two during the main keynote.

0:55That was when we found a quiet moment to talk about it because a lot of the messaging in this conference

1:00We've seen before.

1:01We've seen it before.

1:02If you dialed into the main conference keynotes, if you're dialed into Tableau's marketing message, this didn't really have much new content other than a few demos and a few core messages and also some news about some things coming in the future.

1:15So as ever, let's get stuck in.

1:17Let's have this conversation.

1:18And I'd love to know your thoughts in the comments below about the conference, about the topics that were discussed if you were there

1:24And uh again, thank you to everyone who came to say hi during the conference.

1:28It was so good to finally, finally meet my audience.

1:30Yes.

1:31Very first time I actually got a property

1:33sort of sense of that critical mass and it was just great to have the conversations about the way the channel helps people, the way people grow and the things that people would like to see more of.

1:41Stay tuned for that.

1:42Let's get stuck in.

1:44Ravi, fancy seeing you here in person.

1:463D, 3D.

1:47It's not through a screen, right?

1:49We've never done this.

1:50We haven't.

1:51That's right.

1:52But I think we talked about doing it one day.

1:53Yeah.

1:53But we actually haven't done it in person.

1:55Um I remember the I mean the the only pod we've actually done in person was that first one

2:01Yes, the one that I didn't hit recorder.

2:05So technically we've never done a pod in person because I didn't hit record.

2:08Correct.

2:09Exactly.

2:09But no, it's um it's good.

2:11Where are we?

2:11Where are we?

2:12Let's tell everyone.

2:12Data Fam Europe, which I hate.

2:14It's uh Table Conference Europe.

2:16But it's a smaller event.

2:17Yeah.

2:17It's a smaller event than we have in Europe before.

2:19Yeah.

2:20Um

2:20I think I quite like the size.

2:23Yeah.

2:24600 people?

2:25Just over 600 people.

2:26Bang on.

2:27Yeah.

2:27I I like

2:29this size for lots of reasons.

2:30I'm an introvert.

2:31Not socially.

2:32I'm just I'm just a very quiet person.

2:35I prefer small events where I can reach everyone and I have time and space

2:40At other conferences I feel like if I don't talk to someone, I'm missing out on something.

2:44If you you don't have a five-minute conversation, then you're off somewhere else.

2:47Exactly.

2:48Yeah.

2:48I was reflecting with someone actually just now and

2:51We we saw it together at San Diego, TC.

2:53Yeah.

2:53Um and I we played paddle and I didn't see her at all for the rest of the conference.

2:59Because you it's so big you just always go somewhere.

3:02You're going from session to session.

3:03Yeah.

3:03You're you're covering a lot of ground.

3:04Whereas here, I think.

3:05You've got five or six breakout rooms.

3:08Exactly, exactly.

3:09And everyone's in the same area between sessions.

3:11Exactly.

3:12So you can always bump into someone have a chat.

3:13And maybe maybe we're biased because you know we are used to London.

3:16We we used to work not far from here.

3:18So for us, there is no sort of

3:21glamour to this uh uh location therefore we just see the event.

3:25We just see the venue.

3:26Whereas for other people maybe if you're traveling in it is a little bit

3:29nice to be in London to take the advantage of it.

3:33You're not not enough anymore either.

3:34I'm not, I'm not.

3:35It's actually the first time in London in like three months.

3:37There we go.

3:38And I'll be back tomorrow, funnily enough

3:39So doing something else.

3:41But no, it's good.

3:42I think if um Stable are listening, the best thing about this is I just think the networks, the conversations

3:47Um they're just a little bit higher quality.

3:49People want to stick around to have those conversations.

3:51It's longer, deeper conversation.

3:53Yeah, exactly.

3:53Exactly.

3:54So um what I hope comes out of this is that Tableau see this and they repeat it again next year

4:00So this kind of event can build its own identity.

4:02They used to have them, right?

4:03They used to have them in the past.

4:04They kind of lost them.

4:05So it's good to have them back.

4:06What I'm intrigued about actually is having small regional, right?

4:09Like so for example, if it's Europe

4:10For sure.

4:10Let's let's go again.

4:11Yeah.

4:11But then imagine the uh a data farm Asia.

4:14Yeah.

4:14Like you've got a massive community now in in India, in in Japan, in in AIPAC, just in that region.

4:21Exactly.

4:21Like it should let's see if we can cater to those like even South America.

4:24Yeah, yeah.

4:25Bring Tableau to the fam.

4:27Correct.

4:27That's a much better tablet.

4:30Right, so okay, we love the venue, we love the um the events.

4:35Yes.

4:35Um now we have very different experiences.

4:37You're you're being treated like a rock star.

4:40I I found myself on the exact track for the first time.

4:43Exactly, yeah.

4:44It's uh it's uh a high flyer, a baller.

4:47It was it was it's being behind the curtain.

4:48I think the

4:50There's not uh I feel like it's uh interesting because obviously behind the curtain is a lot of execs and people who are decision makers and you end up talking about just high-level stuff.

4:59Yep

4:59What was really interesting is everything was AI.

5:02And I remember being on a round table like we have in luncheon.

5:04It's like here's your topic.

5:06It's talking about AI.

5:06I thought the kid

5:07But actually just running back a step.

5:10The keynote yesterday was fantastic.

5:11Okay.

5:12I really enjoyed it.

5:13The keynote like um I can't remember her name, but it was um

5:16Really, really good.

5:17Yeah.

5:17Um and then yeah, so she she was there on for the for the exec track as well.

5:22Um and we she almost posed lots of good questions that made you think.

5:26Right.

5:27Anyway, when we were having the con uh conversation around the round table

5:30Everyone's just talking about AI and everyone's agreeing.

5:33Because I feel like every in when at the base of this at the base of it everyone's having the same conversation right like yes it's gonna be exciting but you need to be careful.

5:42That's it

5:42Yeah.

5:43But and I think one of the one of the questions that was posed yesterday was, what are your hopes for AI and what are your fears, right?

5:49Yeah.

5:50And for me it's AO will help you

5:52My my hope is it helps you get better sustainably.

5:56Yeah.

5:56And my fear is it makes things worse unsustainably

6:00Right.

6:00Right.

6:01So you don't want things to get unsustainably worse, but you want things to get sustainably better.

6:05Is it closing the gap or widening it?

6:09It's just there are one of the topics we're talking about is like was the were these conversations happening when the internet was invented?

6:16Right

6:17And I think it's because of this of the speed that is the fear that you can get like compute resource.

6:23Whereas Internet, like there's a lot of steps, but like before the internet you had books and books was like you have to do the work and like should you do it.

6:29Internet makes it faster and AI makes it faster.

6:31still.

6:31Yeah.

6:32But the the main thing I I sort of take away from it is like I I I kept wanting to bring people away from the competitional age right and towards more data cultural enablement, fluency, like

6:42How do you actually measure whether your company is doing data well?

6:46Those conversations are the reason I want to speak to other leaders in the space.

6:49Especially in the Tableau context, because Tableau has invested a lot of

6:52Time and features into that question.

6:55We had the Tableau Blueprint.

6:57Man, do you remember when that was the only thing Tableau talked about, right?

7:002018 or 19?

7:01Yeah.

7:01An entire keynote

7:03James R.

7:04Blueprint, yeah.

7:05Was uh talking about Tableau Blueprint.

7:06Here's how to do Tableau well, right?

7:08Bring data to the people.

7:09Yeah.

7:10And then um

7:11I think more recently we've had data management.

7:15That was a whole SKU invented to help solve that sort of doing data well problem.

7:20And now Tableau<unk>, which has AI's

7:22sort of squeezed in there but also some of the other stuff.

7:25So yeah, it's an interesting it's an interesting thing.

7:27I think to touch on like a shift I've seen at this conference is that at past conferences I felt like Tableau have talked about the whole ecosystem

7:35In equity.

7:36And even today I've seen people from lots of different teams, security, sales, everyone's here representing their team.

7:43But the core message, the only message coming out of pretty much all those conversations is, have you tried Agent Force?

7:49Have you tried AI?

7:50And there's a bit of a side of hand here, marketing side of hand here, which is

7:54They've let the community talk about everything else.

7:56Yeah, it's it's smart, right?

7:57Like like it's still six months on, the thing I'm most excited about is the Viz Extensions.

8:02Yeah, yeah.

8:02And this extensions is

8:04Still gonna be the thing that revolutionizes, but it's driven by the community.

8:08Yeah, it's Tristan.

8:08It's Tristan out there.

8:09And to be fair, to be fair, those are the people who've done the most uh work.

8:13So who else would you ask to talk about that?

8:16But I just think it's an interesting

8:18It's an interesting observation to just pay attention to because I think this again speaks to what we we we preach all the time.

8:25Platform, platform, platform.

8:26Tableau is letting

8:28Other people talk about its platform in the way that they sort of see fit.

8:32Another area that obviously is is being talked about is VDS.

8:34Yes.

8:35Right?

8:35Like the the the SQL data service.

8:37Um Headless BI, which is a term people don't understand.

8:40But vi vi uh VizQL data service, people are sometimes understand what it does.

8:46Headless BI thing?

8:47Maybe I think sounds intimidating.

8:49Right?

8:49Uh I mean yeah, and I think that this is another thing that's being talked about anything in the in these sessions.

8:54I think what's really exciting is it's that

8:56thing we talked about after TC, right?

8:58Like where you it's decomposing the platform and then saying you can actually do run with this part, you can run with this part, you can run with this part

9:04Um the other the third interesting thing is the the vendors who are here.

9:10Yes.

9:11There's vendors.

9:12So this is an interesting thing.

9:14Like I I know roughly how much it costs to get one of these slots.

9:18Not because I was interested, but because someone told me.

9:21And um I won't name who they are.

9:22I don't want them to get into trouble.

9:23because I'm sure they're not supposed to share that.

9:25But what was interesting is that I don't think it's an unattainable price for anyone who would be interested, but it does suggest that look

9:32Tableau has the opportunity to pick who's here, right?

9:36And so you've got the information lab, we used to work there.

9:40You've got wisdom who make some great

9:43Let's say governance tools.

9:44They're kind of moving away from just testing.

9:46Um we've got DBT.

9:48I think that's all that's it, right?

9:50Those are the three main ones are three main ones, yeah.

9:53That is it.

9:53So

9:54It's interesting DBT are here.

9:56You wouldn't know they're here, with all due respect.

9:59It very much sounds like to me that they're here because of that deal.

10:03that was made recently and maybe part of that deal is that they spend it a little bit on tableau marketing but they're they're here, they've got like some stuff, their logos here.

10:11But it's more of a presence thing because to be honest, they're not going to acquire customers.

10:14Yeah, like if you're if you're already doing something else with your data pipeline, you're not gonna suddenly pivot into DBT.

10:19But if you're already doing DBT, what you want to know is, oh, actually these guys can get close to Tableau.

10:25However, if you have had DBT in your head

10:27with Tableau to work out how your flow works.

10:29You're then and they're here.

10:31Yeah.

10:31You are more likely to go tweet to them.

10:33Fair enough.

10:34Fair enough.

10:34I'd be interested to sort of, yeah, maybe maybe I should go talk to them

10:39Maybe let's not make assumptions.

10:40But yeah.

10:40I I think th think about like when you went to TC eighteen or nineteen when you were like, I don't know what Snowflake is.

10:45Exactly.

10:45Like Ravi, you keep telling me what Snowflake is, let's go speak to them.

10:48Right?

10:48Like for three or four years, Snowflake was just this thing that was

10:52Going on and on, right?

10:53Yeah, exactly.

10:54Yeah, so yeah, that's the that's sort of the vibe.

10:57Like let's get into the details.

10:58Yep.

10:59Um

11:00Keynote.

11:01Keynote.

11:02So for full disclosure, I'm we're currently recording this during the main keynote.

11:08I'm sorry, Ryan, but

11:10I'm going with Ravi because someone has to ask the questions here and you'd already see the flavour of the keynote.

11:15I saw a flavor I saw a abridged version of um some of the things that we talked about or at least I've spoken to

11:21Like what what the what the keynote is going to be.

11:23Exactly, exactly.

11:24And generally this is the best time to do recording.

11:26It's so bright.

11:27Other than that, there is not a chance for us to get away and talk.

11:31So what are your thoughts

11:33Again, so similar to what I said before, the the main sort of features are very AI driven, like agent force, like the new version of Tableau that is like embedded within the cloud platform and it it's risky and it's new.

11:43You've got some really great formatting and template areas that you can start embedding on.

11:47Uh and one of the key messages is that server isn't going away.

11:50Yeah.

11:50Right, like so server is here forever.

11:52Yeah.

11:52And if you are scared that server, you're gonna be pushed from server to cloud, cloud, from server to cloud.

11:57You shouldn't shouldn't worry too much.

12:00But I think the caveat still exists.

12:02The caveat still exists of you won't get the latest and greatest version.

12:06But again, as a as the um de facto server admit of my company

12:10That's okay.

12:15And also like I want features that are stable.

12:18So that's okay as well.

12:20There's a bit of agent's force forming as Einstein.

12:24And my thing and the thing, the interesting thing there was like it's talking about how you can train Agent Force for your company.

12:31Right.

12:31And understanding a bit more about how you can tune it to actually help

12:34your data sources and your your your which I think is what the way it should be.

12:38You know you put you want to put the onus on the customer to the because you know your data you know yourself right about experts once as well as anyone.

12:48But yeah, it was like again this isn't the this isn't the event for big big big big buster features, right?

12:55Yeah, right.

12:56It's reinforcing what you already know from TC and from Dreamforce.

12:59Yeah, like these events tend to be

13:01figure out the message at conference, now go you know go preach, evangelize that message.

13:06Um and I think it's interesting, you know, if server's not going away, um then in in it it sort of exists in my head in this weird place where it gets

13:16Cloud features that are not AI specific or cloud specific.

13:19Yes.

13:20But it fills.

13:20Things that you don't need hyperforce to.

13:22Yeah, exactly.

13:23But if I was um I was thinking about this just for one second

13:28Server's a pretty good way to insulate yourself from Agent Force, surely, right?

13:31Because as a least as how things stand, you can't use Agent Force if you're on server.

13:36So it's interesting that SKU still exists.

13:39I'd love it to see how it's like very

13:42specific roadmap that's specific to it.

13:45Um how many roadmaps do you want?

13:47Like you've got so many different products within the Tableau ecosystem.

13:50Do you want a roadmap for each one?

13:52But this is like saying to Apple how many products you want.

13:58Can you show me your iPod touch roadmap?

13:59Right.

14:00Right.

14:00Because we know the iPod touch is going to disappear in a few years.

14:03Exactly.

14:03It's already gone, right?

14:04Exactly.

14:05And so with those things, what you always get is you get like um

14:09you get like a managed decline, right?

14:11I'm not sure we're there with Tableau Server.

14:13I'm not sure we're at that point.

14:14I don't think it will be managed to climb.

14:15It'll be like the Mac Mini where you don't get a big refresh of the Mac Mini until there's enough of a layering to it which is fair, fair.

14:23Uh but for me I just saw this is like me cleaning on.

14:28You're in denial.

14:29I'm in denial.

14:30Yeah this is uh this time next year we'll be talking and you'll be like van actually I've only had one release.

14:34Uh yeah this this this is this is like you were with old trips.

14:37I was just holding on DBT Rysenski.

14:40Please dear God reinvent their god.

14:42So like it's interesting, DBT are talking with some very interesting things about Ultrics.

14:46completely separate discussion but yeah no code I feel I feel like no code loads I mean I'm dragging this this is gonna be like uh sympathy corner now this right like all tricks man

14:56Everyone is going out for their lunch.

14:58Everyone's just seeing their current like sort of influx and they're just like a piranha club right here.

15:04And yeah, I've had conversations with people at this conference who are thinking, yeah, we won't bring Alteryx in here

15:09It's crazy.

15:09So it still exists as a like we still like it.

15:12We still really want it.

15:13This is what I this is what I don't get.

15:17grasp this opportunity and bring it forward and make it modern.

15:22Hell, talk to DBT.

15:24Create partnerships in the spaces you've not taken advantage of.

15:27and start to make those things happen.

15:29But anyway.

15:30We digress.

15:31It's a tableau of Hongroids.

15:32Back to Tableau.

15:35I like the vignettes that are currently going on.

15:37So all the talks um I think kind of fall into like

15:40Three groups.

15:40You've got a what I would call the um the the product fruit which is product devs or feature owners with a

15:47Tableau, sort of showcasing that thing, telling you about things you don't know.

15:50You've got the community stepping in to kind of show you the tips and the tricks and that's what you're talking about.

15:54So marketplace is something we've not talked about.

15:57Yeah, we'll come back to that.

15:58And then there's a final sort of

16:00uh group of talks which I think I like, I'm gonna sort of term them as the new way to tableau.

16:05Right?

16:05So Visual Data Service falls into that.

16:08um a couple of the other sort of maybe more modern things like data modeling, uh the marketplace you touched on, there's this sort of growing hub of

16:17um new capabilities that I think is really interesting.

16:19And I I know there's not sort of distinct tracks, but that to me would be sort of the three high-level sort of groups.

16:25that I would put the talks in.

16:26What I'm really curious of is if you then take this event and you repeat it uh throughout the year, like

16:33What do you like does should it evolve?

16:37Because I don't feel like this this conference has evolved since conference, right?

16:40Does that make sense?

16:41Interesting.

16:41The age enforced demo, with all due respect that we're seeing here

16:45was perfected on the conference floor and now more people can do it and that's what we're seeing here.

16:49Um but that that's progress.

16:53It's not what it like you couldn't build a but agent force in 15 minutes.

16:58I think what I'm getting at is sometimes Sasha's can be guilty of damming something like it's neat.

17:04But if you're actually listening in Darwin's message, maybe we're biased because we're too hypersensitive to the message.

17:10So we get it the first time potentially.

17:12It does get to the point where I was like, but you can also have the message told to you in three ways and then have a different reaction to it each time.

17:19Yeah.

17:19I guess maybe then I'm saying I've not had a different reaction.

17:22I still think it's impressive what they're doing, but I'm not

17:25You know.

17:26Enamored to it.

17:27Yeah.

17:27And it might just be that, you know, I'm a consultant, I'm a I'm a doer, so therefore I'm never going to be as enamored as an executive.

17:33Who does actually want a a very high level solution to some of these problems?

17:37You can maybe tell me, but um just because I'm in on the exception.

17:42Does it mean I know what I'm doing?

17:44So yeah, no, it's an interesting uh like uh and and the name has changed from t like Tableau Anton's name has changed.

17:51Uh I know that's not sort of official, but I I have been told by other people at this conference who have had it, so therefore I can share it.

17:58But it's no longer Tableau Ansigned, it's Tableau powered by agent force.

18:02Yeah.

18:03And oh my word, like, it's not been six months.

18:08Not been six months.

18:10And the name has changed again.

18:12I think I'm at the point where I should do a video on the branding as a Tableau, right?

18:16And you know, just bring everyone up to speed on that.

18:19But anyway, I digress.

18:21Um

18:22I'm I'm still I guess what I'm really getting at is I've we've now known about tablet ionsome for a while.

18:29Yeah.

18:29We've seen uh I'm gonna say so-called working demos of it

18:33I've not had a chance to play with it, so I can't I can't say otherwise.

18:38Um This question I said to you age ago, when are we gonna see it?

18:43We think I think

18:44uh it won't be until dot two next year.

18:46It's not gonna be dot one.

18:47That's the next release.

18:48So it's not gonna be twenty five one.

18:50It's I think twenty-five two.

18:51And even then it won't be what we're being demoed now, right?

18:54Yeah.

18:54But if you take Tableau Parsons reference point, what came out with Pulse was sort of the

18:58general offering and then turns out all the new stuff hasn't needed tableau pulse sorry plus I made the uh there we go I made the classic era um plus and pulse

19:09Yeah, and I think I think plus will be required to sort of unlock the other features.

19:13Yeah.

19:13Um but I think there's still a great opportunity to change the way Tableau works and

19:17Dare I say?

19:18All the non-Tableau stuff.

19:20Um, sorry, the non-AI stuff I think is quite powerful.

19:23I got sent a deck from Tableau.

19:25I'll put it up on screen when I'm editing this.

19:27of the last two releases and this is an this is an internal deck from Tableau but the it's it's it's a deck that's shown to external customers.

19:35So it's it's public but it's typically shown by people.

19:38And what I liked about it is they call out the features that came from the ideas page.

19:44Yeah, they put it in a light bulb.

19:45Exactly.

19:46And I was, you know, I've been saying for a while.

19:51have been going at that thing and trying to solve them.

19:53And I think we got an announcement internally in the Visionary Community Leader Space that Tableau of uh Salesforce has got to

19:592000 of these uh ideas.

20:01Uh responded.

20:03Responded is kind of a rich method.

20:05It's on the list now.

20:06We have taken the list.

20:06I can still everything and do nothing, right?

20:08But nonetheless

20:10These feature decks, I think, show me that actually there's a decent percentage of stuff that's coming from the ID space in a way that we've never seen before.

20:17And I I was I said to the person, why isn't this deck out in public?

20:20Like

20:20You know, if I can show it to people and tell people these all the features are doing well, why can't I show it to people?

20:25So yeah, I'm I'm I'm sort of helping internally to say, look, let's let's actually evangelize the message of what's new in a little bit more

20:33clearer ways because yes I don't I get everyone's not us but at the same time I do think that there are you know geeks like us in every organization who do care and if you enable them to go and evangelize within their orgs

20:44They'll tell people how to do things the right way.

20:46What one thing I was reflecting on with the with the Queen's memory yesterday actually in the evening was around data nameless.

20:55But I um I got a press you of it from a couple of people I attended.

20:58It was again going back to blueprint and similar concepts.

21:03There's a

21:04Weird thing, and again this is what I was hoping to get out of the exec track a lot uh in a big way.

21:09There's a weird thing where the strategies for enablement to help tableaux succeed have not changed in the last 10 years.

21:17Yeah

21:18Yeah.

21:19Do they need to?

21:21What wha what would have why would they need it to change?

21:24That's actually the I think the more meaningful thing.

21:27Because it's not changed that you but you very rarely hear the things that the small wins that make a difference.

21:34So we had um Carolyn Caruthers who is uh she's written a book on

21:38like being a CDO and DTRACI and stuff.

21:40This is what they do.

21:41And one of the things she spoke about is go after the small whims.

21:44Don't don't

21:46Go after small wins and that's how you grow a data culture.

21:49Right.

21:50And it's those nuggets should be shared more broadly.

21:54It's those sorts of things that

21:55It's okay, cool.

21:56We're gonna say go after these things and here's how you do it.

21:59Yeah.

21:59That's what I'd I'd like.

22:00Like in the last 10 years it's always been oh you need to create a community of practice.

22:04You need to

22:05You know, get a makeover run there going.

22:07You need to do like you alright, cool, I know that.

22:11But if I then I'm building I've I'll bet 100 dashboards in a year, great, no one needs to.

22:16Why not?

22:17Well, how are you tracking your progress?

22:19How are you measuring success?

22:21How are you integrating with your users?

22:22Yeah.

22:23And these are the questions that I think this is the discussion worth having in the data enablement sessions, in my opinion.

22:30Rather than sort of saying the same sort of cliff notes over and over.

22:34And you know I dunno, uh

22:37Uh I someone, you know, consulting enablement's a big part of my thing.

22:41Um I help companies deploy more than just Tableau Altrix, another one again, um, you know, violin up for that.

22:47But nonetheless, I do think

22:51When enablement became a topic, it took it took the industry, I think, quite a long time just to do the basics right.

22:59And to your point, this book, sort of, you know, this person as well

23:04It's a very KISS sort of methodology, just keep things ridiculously simple.

23:09Yeah, exactly.

23:10Win the small things.

23:12Those are the things that get evangelized and bring whoever wants to be brought with you along.

23:17Correct.

23:18The mistake is something like, oh find new chance.

23:20No, no, no.

23:21Let the champions find you.

23:22Correct.

23:22They will find they will they will find a way to get to the channel.

23:25But when they find you turn up.

23:26Uniquely exactly.

23:27Exactly.

23:27Like his um what was it, his Picasso

23:30Is that Picasso quotes like um inspiration is out there but it has to find you work?

23:34Yes.

23:35Right?

23:35Like it if you if someone is coming to you it has to you have to be ready for that thing in order to jump on and say

23:42And this is why you should jump on with me.

23:45And now here's the thing I'm gonna give back to you.

23:47Exactly, exactly.

23:48So yeah, um interesting.

23:50Like yeah, going back to the conference and

23:52No.

23:53I think if I if I sort of There's a GameCube over there, that's been great.

23:56I've been old school old school Mario Part.

23:58Yeah, we're stay here staying.

23:59I'll try and take a photo of it.

24:01um and and put it up in the video.

24:02There's a there's a great let's what do you call it retro gaming.

24:07I think those are genuine retro machines or they could just be like uh a Mac

24:11running like a an emulator or something.

24:15We think it's all modern and old, but it's a genuine CRT TV.

24:19Those go for a lot of money.

24:21They do, yeah.

24:22'Cause people want to play games on them because they match the frame rate the consoles would actually design for.

24:28So if you're trying to speedrun Mario, you need an actual CRT TV to get

24:32to get everything kind of exactly right as intended, right?

24:36Um so people buy them for their PlayStation ones because of course if you want to play PlayStation again as it will

24:41As it was designed.

24:42So you need one of these big fat TVs with a light up golden eye.

24:45Exactly.

24:46Anyway, distraction, distraction.

24:47As we go back to sort of the conference, um, I kinda wanna sort of maybe finish on talking about like the conversation we've had with people because I think it's been

24:55fundamentally the biggest takeaway win of this whole um conference in a way that I didn't expect it to be.

25:01I always expect to talk to people.

25:03I always expect to um you know have good conversations and network.

25:07I didn't expect the conversation to be this good and not as in like, you know, condescending for a while.

25:12Well true.

25:13But I I I I think what I'd agree with actually is again what we said at the start, right?

25:17Which is around

25:18A smaller conference allows for a lot remote.

25:21And this is a deeper conversation.

25:23This is it.

25:24So you do a lap and come back to the same two, three guys.

25:26Yes, yes.

25:27It's true, it's true.

25:28And the the for context of this venue, like it's

25:31It's so small you can see the entire venue.

25:35You can stand in one spot and just do a 360.

25:37Exactly.

25:37You can genuinely scan the room.

25:38Yeah.

25:39You can networking uh can't do that for the big one.

25:41Like yeah.

25:42I you know for my younger audience who, you know, maybe uh

25:45uh looking for mentors and looking to understand how to network, scanning the room is very much one of those uh sort of things you have to learn to do when the person you're talking to, you feel the conversation is going to an end.

25:55Scan the room, plan your next move and then go on in

25:58Daddy's dear here, so um really really enjoy it.

26:02Um and it's still a great community.

26:03I think the other the final point for me is so many new faces.

26:07Yes.

26:08Which is always exciting for me.

26:09I went to the Data Plus Women event on Sunday

26:12And I remember standing there looking around and be like, I don't know many people yet.

26:16And that's awesome.

26:17Yeah.

26:17Because it means that we're getting more vibrant richer and it's becoming more diverse community and we're not having the same people every time, right?

26:23Like and this is why it's quite nice for me to

26:27Yeah, just be be in a corner scanning it almost like, oh this is cool.

26:30Yeah.

26:30And I can learn from all these new people.

26:33Exactly.

26:33And I think

26:34In a funny way that a lot of those people have always been there.

26:37They've always been using tablets.

26:38It's creating space for them though.

26:39Yeah.

26:39And I think this sort of thing creates space.

26:41Yeah.

26:41Especially when you um you know some of the old guard aren't here

26:45Exactly.

26:46Again, another another value of having more localized events.

26:50So it's impossible for for the the same faces to go to every event.

26:55So you naturally create um

26:57An equity that maybe doesn't exist at the larger conferences.

27:00Right, so yeah, it's the start of day two.

27:02Yeah.

27:03Um great conversations.

27:04We're gonna try and get more of the the rest of the conference.

27:07Uh we should maybe go finish and

27:09And take a photo of the DV Lab.

27:11Yeah.

27:11DVT uh labs bring together and share that out.

27:14But yeah.

27:14I hope you've enjoyed this.

27:16Yeah.

27:16Um very impromptu.

27:18Very nice cubicle.

27:19We found a cubicle and hopefully it sounds been good as well.

27:21Exactly, exactly.

27:22Hopefully.

27:23Hopefully this oh man.

27:24My biggest fear this whole time and genuine insider thing.

27:27I'm worried

27:28We're gonna get DRM checked on YouTube because that means that music is a I'm gonna be doing a ton of AI editing on this to get the freaking music out of the audio.

27:39So we'll wait and see how that goes

27:41But if not, you'll hear this on the podcast anyway.

27:44And yeah.

27:44All good.

27:45Top right.

27:46Cheers.